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[FreeBSD] HackerNews上關(guān)于FreeBSD vs Linux的討論 [復(fù)制鏈接]

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發(fā)表于 2014-11-26 22:51 |只看該作者 |倒序?yàn)g覽
HackerNews的item id=8645443(強(qiáng)烈吐槽:竟然發(fā)不了鏈接,返回后居然還把之前編輯的內(nèi)容全部都清空,艸,艸,艸。
這個(gè)帖子召喚出了大量HN潛水員啊,其中好多從FreeBSD 1.x, 2.x開(kāi)始的老手,看了這些老手的回復(fù)受益頗多啊

一直想在自己的本子上用FreeBSD作主系統(tǒng),可惜Radeon HD 6630M一直不支持,亮度沒(méi)法調(diào)節(jié),開(kāi)桌面后鼠標(biāo)移到屏幕邊緣還會(huì)晃動(dòng)[sigh]

另外網(wǎng)絡(luò)管理有木有圖形界面的啊,經(jīng)常接入不同的無(wú)線,每次去改/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf相當(dāng)不方便啊

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發(fā)表于 2014-11-27 09:57 |只看該作者
linux確實(shí)會(huì)更方便些,至少驅(qū)動(dòng)支持更先進(jìn)一些

你換主號(hào)發(fā)鏈接,肯定沒(méi)問(wèn)題

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發(fā)表于 2014-11-27 09:58 |只看該作者
另外網(wǎng)絡(luò)管理有木有圖形界面的啊,經(jīng)常接入不同的無(wú)線,每次去改/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf相當(dāng)不方便啊



不是有人喜歡裝13喜歡敲命令的么,人家只要一行代碼就ok了

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發(fā)表于 2014-11-28 10:53 |只看該作者
討論的確實(shí)很精彩,雖然有些看不懂。

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8645443

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發(fā)表于 2014-11-28 11:13 |只看該作者
摘抄一段:
This is a brief (probably incomplete) summary of my understanding (many points also supported by the essays in your included link):

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Philosophy:

FreeBSD has the concept of a base system: a set of tools intended to work together harmoniously, maintained by a core group of people. You can easily find evidence of this by looking at the source code; the userspace tools sit right next to the kernel[0]. This is in contrast to _GNU_/Linux, where everything (including coreutils) is pulled in from various sources. Many Linux distributions emulate a base system by including utilities that transform the kernel into a complete standard system (e.g. Debian[1]).

[0]: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/tree/master/usr.bin

[1]: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s3.7

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Leadership:

Linux has a benevolent dictator who decides project direction[0], while FreeBSD has a core group of contributers who decide the future of the project. However, I'm not sure that the Cathedral vs. Bazaar is a fair comparison to impose on these projects[1]. In any case, both projects seem to have been getting things done, and unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I'm not too savvy on internal managerial disputes or issues.

[0]: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/index.shtml

[1]: https://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/myths.html#closed-model

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Package Management:

The closest Linux distribution to FreeBSD is most likely Gentoo Linux, as its Portage system is very heavily inspired by the FreeBSD Ports system, in which all "packages" are simply recipes to build from source. You can even run the Gentoo project on a BSD kernel[0], although this sickens most FreeBSD users for some reason. Most other Linux distributions default to installing binary packages, which is also possible, but not traditional in FreeBSD[1].

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo/Alt#Gentoo.2FFreeBSD

[1]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html

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Process Management:

Linux has recently added LXC, while FreeBSD has had Jails for a while now[0]. LXC is much better marketed than BSD Jails through Docker, but Absolute FreeBSD has an excellent section that describes how to do isolated deployments via Jails[1]. FreeBSD also has the Linuxulator[2] that emulates 32-bit Linux system calls via FreeBSD system calls, allowing users to seamlessly run Linux binaries on FreeBSD. The FreeBSD startup system, however, has stayed more or less the same for the past few decades, revolving around an rc.conf file and init scripts. Linux has seen many more efforts in this area, including systemd and initramfs.

[0]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-FreeBSD-Complete-Guide-Editio...

[2]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu.html

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Licensing:

BSD projects use a BSD license, which many businesses prefer over the GNU license used by Linux. However, this is a discussion that deserves more than a small summary.

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Misc:

Linux is most likely to support recent hardware because of extensive userbase and industry support. For example, NVidia's latest CUDA SDKs always have Linux bindings, but not BSD ones.

The BSDs have great reputations for killer implementations of TCP/IP.

The BSDs have been using the GEOM[0] disk management system for a long time, which is one of my personal favorites in terms of features. It allows you to treat character and block devices as pipes, so for example, adding encryption is simply "piping" a bare disk through an encryption layer, resulting in a new device. You can even "pipe" things across the network. Linux is somewhat caught up via device-mapper, so this is not a huge deal if you're trying to choose which one to use. Both are great operating systems. Just use whatever works.

[0] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom.html

It's likely that you know things that I don't, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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發(fā)表于 2014-12-04 10:11 |只看該作者
回復(fù) 4# lsstarboy


    謝謝,感覺(jué)老外討論技術(shù)都非常有涵養(yǎng)




文化不同

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回復(fù) 4# lsstarboy


    還是版主厲害,只是有些看不懂.對(duì)于一個(gè)普通用戶,我是完全看不懂,只是感覺(jué)到了,平民與Hacker的巨大差別...

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回復(fù) 7# BlueSky_Yu84


    用到的時(shí)候?qū)W的很快——我說(shuō)我連高中都沒(méi)有資格上你相信嗎?我堅(jiān)信姚明初中高中的英語(yǔ)不會(huì)很好。
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