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[學(xué)習(xí)分享] [轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere) [復(fù)制鏈接]

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[轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere)

轉(zhuǎn)IBM打BEA的報(bào)告

BEA WebLogic Server的缺陷
1. WebLogic沒(méi)有整體方案,只是運(yùn)行產(chǎn)品
多數(shù)客戶只對(duì)電子商務(wù)應(yīng)用的整體方案感興趣。從整體方案的角度看, BEA遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)落后于IBM。
BEA: BEA只有單一運(yùn)行產(chǎn)品,沒(méi)有完善的服務(wù)機(jī)制。當(dāng)涉及到“快速開發(fā)應(yīng)用”或“管理開發(fā)環(huán)境”時(shí),客戶只能與BEA的合作伙伴聯(lián)系。然而,它的合作伙伴沒(méi)有一起協(xié)作的經(jīng)驗(yàn);第三方產(chǎn)品工具往往不支持BEA的產(chǎn)品。當(dāng)采用BEA的產(chǎn)品與其它產(chǎn)品合在一起作方案時(shí),客戶需要大量手工開發(fā)工作。出錯(cuò)時(shí)很難查出是那一家產(chǎn)品有問(wèn)題?蛻粜枰苄诙嗉覐S商之間。
IBM: IBM提供全套集成的方案和產(chǎn)品,用于WEB應(yīng)用開發(fā)的整個(gè)周期。開發(fā)階段:Visual Age for Java, Websphere Visual Studio, SanFrancisco;運(yùn)行階段:Websphere標(biāo)準(zhǔn)版、高級(jí)版和企業(yè)版,Domino, DB2;管理和安全設(shè)施階段:Tivoli,SecureWay相關(guān)產(chǎn)品;擴(kuò)充和調(diào)試:Performance Pack, Site Analyzer。由此看出,IBM具有開發(fā)WEB應(yīng)用的全系列產(chǎn)品,而且緊密集成。
2. WebLogic與標(biāo)準(zhǔn)相符的程度較弱
Websphere Application Server對(duì)J2EE的支持:10個(gè)API支持, 2 API由其它IBM產(chǎn)品支持,2個(gè)API不支持。Weblogic Server對(duì)J2EE的支持:6個(gè)API支持, 2 個(gè)API不完全支持,6個(gè)API不支持。
RMI/IIOP是Websphere高級(jí)版自帶的協(xié)議,企業(yè)版也支持。而WebLogic Server使用其特有的T3協(xié)議。
WebLogic不提供任何XML API,而IBM擁有業(yè)界最好的XML技術(shù)。
3. WebLogic沒(méi)有統(tǒng)一的編程模型
BEA: BEA的產(chǎn)品收購(gòu)于DEC, Novell, WebLogic, NCR和其它小公司,不能很好集成。BEA造成客戶要使用三種不同的編程模型,即:(1) 用過(guò)程化的C語(yǔ)言編寫Tuxedo應(yīng)用, (2) 用Java/C++ 編寫WebLogic Enterprise CORBA 應(yīng)用和 (3) Java EJB 編寫WebLogic Server 應(yīng)用。它們之間不能轉(zhuǎn)換,不能移植,不能擴(kuò)充,不能共享安全,沒(méi)有集成,整個(gè)產(chǎn)品沒(méi)有按照這些要求設(shè)計(jì)。
IBM: e-business 應(yīng)用框架提供了統(tǒng)一的編程模型,它以Java技術(shù)為基礎(chǔ),貫穿企業(yè)應(yīng)用的各個(gè)層面。IBM的方案支持廣泛的客戶端,充分保護(hù)Java技術(shù)的投資、可重用模塊和現(xiàn)有的企業(yè)資產(chǎn)。當(dāng)客戶選擇了這樣的框架后,它們也就選擇了策略性的方法和工具,而不是單一的產(chǎn)品和方案。
4. WebLogic開發(fā)環(huán)境弱,需要許多手工編程
VisualAge for Java與Websphere集成較好,而與WebLogic集成需要較多手工編程。例如,VisualAge for Java和WebSphere Studio有許多wizards可直接生成HTML頁(yè)面,servlet code生成控制器,Java Bean或Enterprise Java Bean形成商業(yè)邏輯,最終JSP頁(yè)面用于顯示。只需幾分鐘就可生成這些,包括修改HTML和JSP、為EJB生成測(cè)試客戶端、跟蹤servlet, EJB, JSP等。
另一個(gè)問(wèn)題是使用第三方產(chǎn)品時(shí),不能保證這種合作方式的長(zhǎng)期性。例如BEA 過(guò)去與Inprise合作,現(xiàn)在Inprise有自己的應(yīng)用服務(wù)器和開發(fā)人員,它在開發(fā)WebLogic應(yīng)用時(shí)有一些問(wèn)題。而這種事情不可能發(fā)生在WebSphere上。
采用IBM方案帶來(lái)更多的商業(yè)價(jià)值,這才是許多客戶需要IBM的原因。
BEA: 企業(yè)級(jí)上缺少足夠的集成開發(fā)環(huán)境,依賴于第三方開發(fā)工具的支持,增加了成本,對(duì)客戶講延長(zhǎng)了開發(fā)周期。開發(fā)環(huán)境缺少小組開發(fā)的支持和企業(yè)的連接性支持。
IBM: IBM的WebSphere開發(fā)環(huán)境以IBM的 VisualAge 家族開發(fā)工具為基礎(chǔ),提供強(qiáng)壯的基于部件的產(chǎn)品,保證高性能和企業(yè)范圍的分布式系統(tǒng)。Websphere同時(shí)提供對(duì)第三方Java開發(fā)工具的支持。
5. WebLogic應(yīng)用集成較弱(CICS/390, IMS, Encina, MQSeries, Domino, etc.) ,需要手工編程
WebSphere能很好的于現(xiàn)有應(yīng)用集成。WebSphere企業(yè)版支持EJB與關(guān)系型數(shù)據(jù)庫(kù)連接以及CICS/IMS。WebSphere企業(yè)可基于TCP/IP、SNA協(xié)議,同時(shí)可訪問(wèn)到CICS EPI, CICS ECI, Encina, IMS, SAP R/3, HOD, MQSeries, 3270。
BEA WebLogic 不能與Encina集成,與CICS/390, IMS也是有限的集成,通過(guò)BEA eLink產(chǎn)品與SAP連接,但是開發(fā)人員需要自己寫代碼。
Websphere與WebLogic都能與TUXEDO集成,沒(méi)有太多區(qū)別。
6. WebLogic 不支持OS/390
BEA計(jì)劃連接到OS/390,但目前還沒(méi)有實(shí)現(xiàn)。
7. BEA沒(méi)有分析工具如Performance Pack或Site Analyzer
8. WebLogic配置和管理特點(diǎn)較弱
WebSphere系統(tǒng)管理工具優(yōu)越,而使用WebLogic,管理員需要手工改配置文件,改完后還需重啟應(yīng)用服務(wù)器。WebLogic Admin GUI對(duì)配置文件提供的大多是只讀權(quán)限。WebSphere 可和管理軟件Tivoli緊密結(jié)合。
9. WebLogic價(jià)格高昂,整體投資高
BEA: 使用WebLogic Server比WebSphere高級(jí)版貴兩倍多。(both with clustering).
投資總體成本上WebLogic更高,不存在完整方案的折扣,因?yàn)楫a(chǎn)品都來(lái)自不同廠家。同時(shí)多廠家也帶來(lái)了高風(fēng)險(xiǎn),若其中一家出現(xiàn)問(wèn)題,整個(gè)方案也會(huì)有問(wèn)題。(例如BEA曾經(jīng)收購(gòu)NCR的Top End, 但后來(lái)解除了)
IBM: 提供關(guān)于電子商務(wù)的全線產(chǎn)品,包括硬件、服務(wù)、軟件以及網(wǎng)絡(luò)支持。這種環(huán)境下客戶可以花更多時(shí)間管理自己的業(yè)務(wù)?傮w講,從一家廠商購(gòu)買全套產(chǎn)品相對(duì)便宜。
10. WebLogic有限的支持渠道(沒(méi)有24x7服務(wù))
BEA: 對(duì)WebLogic Server不提供24x7的支持,不支持全球化的電子商務(wù)框架。
IBM: IBM全球有一只全面的服務(wù)和支持隊(duì)伍,IBM提供24x7 服務(wù)(on-site或其它)。全球許多大公司依賴IBM支持關(guān)鍵的商業(yè)應(yīng)用。
結(jié)論
客戶不應(yīng)只關(guān)心運(yùn)行時(shí)的產(chǎn)品,它需要整體方案。BEA不能提供完整框架,不能與其它系統(tǒng)和主機(jī)系統(tǒng)進(jìn)行完全連接。

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[轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere)

WebSphere  有一大隊(duì)補(bǔ)丁

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[轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere)

其實(shí)大家不要整天在這里討論誰(shuí)在上風(fēng),誰(shuí)又到了下游。關(guān)鍵的問(wèn)題是你學(xué)到了多少,中國(guó)的軟件之所以不行,很大的原因就是大家只知道說(shuō),沒(méi)有發(fā)力氣來(lái)做。其實(shí)兩個(gè)都差不多,沒(méi)必要爭(zhēng)誰(shuí)是第一,這個(gè)對(duì)于我們來(lái)說(shuō)沒(méi)有太大的意義。
關(guān)鍵是你學(xué)會(huì)了其中的一樣沒(méi)有,精通了沒(méi)有!

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發(fā)表于 2003-09-02 16:04 |只看該作者

[轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere)

Top Ten reasons to Choose BEA WebLogic over IBM WebSphere  
1. SI Market Adoption (IGS – 7%, BEA-aligned SIs – The remaining 93% of the market)
IBM global services (IGS) is the largest SI in the world (as well as the strongest proponent of WebSphere). Assuming IGS can retain all of their new PWC customers, they will have about 7% worldwide market share. IGS also now generates approx. 45% of IBM’s revenues, and has been IBM’s principal growth engine for the past several years. These facts have not been lost on Accenture, BearingPoint (formerly KPMG Consulting), EDS, Deloitte & Touche, CSC, and so on, each of whom has strategically aligned itself with BEA. So, if BEA remains only somewhat successful at containing WebSphere to the IBM professional services channel, then WebLogic will presumably continue to garner a larger share of the market.
2. Hardware Alliances (IBM vs. Sun, HP, Intel, NEC, Hitachi, Fujitsu, et. al.)
BEA competes with WebSphere on IBM hardware by selling WebLogic for mainframes (MVS and Linux), AS/400, AIX, and IBM PCs. We admittedly find it more difficult to compete with WebSphere on IBM hardware; however, many customer install bases are aligned with other Unix RISC players (Sun, HP, etc.) and Intel than they are with IBM. Intel has two strategic software stacks – MS Windows and BEA WebLogic. Intel is backing BEA because in us they see a Java vendor directly aligned with their interests (Sun and IBM make more money on SPARC or mainframe Java deployments, respectfully). BEA Java (JRockit) is now about 20% faster than IBM Java on Intel, and 40% faster than Sun HotSpot on Intel. Last quarter Dell began ripping and replacing WebSphere with WebLogic from their practice and internal use. As you know, HP is equally aligned with BEA against IBM. We have similar big partners overseas – companies like NEC, Hitachi, and Fujitsu – each of which backs WebLogic over WebSphere. And even Sun, on paper a BEA competitor, invests in their field to ensure that WebLogic wins over WebSphere on Solaris. So as long as BEA can continue to succeed at containing WebSphere to IBM hardware, we are likely to remain a majority of customer install bases.
3. Complexity (BEA – 1 WebLogic Solution, IBM – 340+ WebSphere Products)
WebSphere now has more than 340 licensable subcomponents. It is one of the most complex software products in the history of our industry. While Java-based products exist within the WebSphere brand that compete against WebLogic, the multitude of WebSphere products needed to address more sophisticated challenges causes complexity to grow exponentially as customers attempt to solve integration, security, portal, or management challenges with the WebSphere stack. Consider that for even simple integration tasks, there are separate (and often multiple) tools for business process management, Web services development & deployment, transformations, Java annotations, messaging, and adapter deployment – that is, the integration product set of WebSphere is not close to being integrated with itself! It was precisely the TCO associated with such complexity that doomed technologies like DCE, TXSeries, Component Broker, and San Francisco – and yet three of the four have found their way into WebSphere.
4. Total Cost of Ownership (BEA requires substantially fewer services than IBM)
At investor conferences, IBM touts their consulting revenues from WebSphere. IBM’s own funded research (IBM Business Partner Profitability by Reality Research & Consulting) reveals a stunning ratio of $21 for each $1 in software license revenue ($11.60 in professional services alone). We at BEA would claim those ratios are unsustainable. WebLogic at present appears to cost about 30-40% less for development than WebSphere, but our goal is to drive the cost of Web application development/customization at least down to PowerBuilder/Visual Basic levels. The market eventually wakes up to hidden costs, and rewards products based on TCO rather than discounted license fees. And yet, IBM has historically failed to deliver great ease of development and management (3rd-parties provided much of the ease-of-use for their mainframe platform).
5. Focus on Standards-Based Integration (BEA Leads in J2EE Standards, IBM Lags)
While IBM is a staunch advocate of Web Services/XML standardization, the IBM field is aggressively promoting proprietary alternatives to J2EE. Witness IBM’s focus on selling WebSphere MQ, WebSphere MQ Integrator, CrossWorlds InterChange Server, etc. As a result, IBM is the largest vendor of proprietary integration solutions that do not conform to J2EE. BEA, like Microsoft, has no legacy integration business to protect, and is therefore inclined to aggressively advance the J2EE cause.
6. Pace of J2EE Innovation (BEA – Rapid, IBM – Glacial)
It is no accident that IBM is (by a wide margin) the biggest downloader of WebLogic in the industry (1000s of downloads for each new WebLogic release). No doubt this is smart business – know thy competitor. But it also means that WebSphere remains, to some degree, a derivative of WebLogic. The innovations BEA makes today are very likely to appear in the next (or next thereafter) release of WebSphere. This is most easily demonstrable with Java standards themselves: BEA shipped the flagship of J2EE – Enterprise JavaBeans 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0 – more than 18 months ahead of IBM in each case. Rumor has it that IBM is now working on responding to BEA WebLogic Workshop and Portal development environments. No doubt IBM’s validation of our efforts has been hugely beneficial to BEA, but it has also led to claims like the one that if your goal is to get to WebSphere next year, your best bet may well be to build on WebLogic today.
7. J2EE Market Share (BEA – Obvious Market Leader, IBM – Keeping you guessing)
BEA arguably remains the market share leader, although it is safe to say that both IBM and BEA have been the big winners out of on-going consolidation in the Java infrastructure marketplace. While the WebLogic/WebSphere revenue numbers appear very close from the analysts best guesses (IBM still does not break out the numbers between WebSphere, CICS, DB2, MQSeries, etc.), WebLogic still wins decisively on production deployments: For production transactional applications, Meta Group has us at nearly 4X WebSphere’s market share. Oracle has found BEA WebLogic deployed in 9X the number of production applications that they found for WebSphere within their installed base.
8. Open Systems Software Track Record (BEA – Proven, IBM – Unproven)
IBM makes much of their track record of success in the software business. However, the large majority of that success has come when IBM owns the underlying hardware – e.g., the mainframe software portfolio (CICS, IMS, DB2, MQ Series) as well as that for the AS/400. IBM has also done reasonably well with open systems software acquisitions – Tivoli, Lotus, and MQSeries are the big winners (for PCs/Unix, MQSeries was acquired from Systems Strategies, Inc.). However, IBM’s track record for in house software for hardware platforms they don t own – such as OS/2, SAA, DCE, DB2/Unix, TX/Series, Component Broker, and San Francisco – have generally faired far less well.
9. Software Technology (BEA – Bullet Proof, IBM – Bullet Riddled)
During our last earnings call, we reported that in a total of 220 hands-on competitive engagements against WebSphere last quarter, WebLogic was the victor 210 times. Those victories came not only from our development environment, but from our clustering architecture, our session protection, our policy-based security framework, our caching/replication, our universal hot deployment, our unique liquid data innovations, and so on. Going head-to-head with WebSphere technology is something that BEA remains very comfortable with.
10. Company Size (BEA – Nimble, IBM – Feigns Nimbleness by Marketing Futures)
IBM claims that BEA is too small a company for WebLogic to beat WebSphere over time. How then would IBM explain Tuxedo’s success against TXSeries. Tuxedo currently enjoys a six-fold market share advantage over TXSeries (Standish Group). BEA won that market share going against IBM in a discipline they large invented (transaction processing), and did so as a company that was a fraction of the size we are today.
Lastly, BEA does not compete against the greater IBM. Rather BEA WebLogic competes with IBM WebSphere, just as BEA Tuxedo competed against IBM TXSeries before it – a business that in size is BEA’s peer.
By our own accounting, BEA complements north of 98% of IBM's diverse businesses:
  BEA WebLogic is deployed on IBM hardware ranging from PCs (running both Windows & Linux) to RISC Servers (AIX) to AS/400s to E390s (running OS/390 as well as Linux/390).
  BEA WebLogic works out-of-the-box with Tivoli, Eclipse, DB2, MQSeries, CICS, and IMS, including transactional integration with the last four.
  IBM Global Services (IGS) has a proven track record with successful WebLogic deployments (although WebLogic is obviously not their first choice).

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[轉(zhuǎn)帖]Weblogic VS Websphere(偏向Websphere)

[quote]原帖由 "mukey"]其實(shí)大家不要整天在這里討論誰(shuí)在上風(fēng),誰(shuí)又到了下游。關(guān)鍵的問(wèn)題是你學(xué)到了多少,中國(guó)的軟件之所以不行,很大的原因就是大家只知道說(shuō),沒(méi)有發(fā)力氣來(lái)做。其實(shí)兩個(gè)都差不多,沒(méi)必要爭(zhēng)誰(shuí)是第一,這個(gè)對(duì)于我們來(lái)說(shuō)沒(méi)有太..........[/quote 發(fā)表:
     
此言差矣。
知道高下,才好確定跟誰(shuí)學(xué)。

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圖片看不到!。。

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發(fā)表于 2013-02-28 15:29 |只看該作者
瞎吹,was難用要死,還不穩(wěn)定。為什么我見到的企業(yè)級(jí)中間件基本都是weblogic 產(chǎn)品啊。weblogic 用戶量遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過(guò)was,也比was更好用。從單純部署上面說(shuō),was就麻煩的要死。此問(wèn)明顯在在渲染IBM。

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發(fā)表于 2013-03-04 14:39 |只看該作者

不錯(cuò),頂!。!

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不錯(cuò),頂。。!
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